/ot/ - Off-Topic

>>15303
Thanks nona hehe ♥

>>15298
>>15299
Found an artist recently who draws a lot of BL Rance art, though not of Rance himself unfortunately.

Always cool to see gay art of agressively hetero properties.

>>15304
They do and it's very annoying since /all/ is the only page I visit since the site is so slow.

>>15310
I came across some Rance yaoi while looking at cgs early and was kinda in disbelief that it existed haha. Unfortunately it was drawn really poorly, but it made me realize I love the idea of Rance getting fucked

>>15310
>Always cool to see gay art of agressively hetero properties.
To be fair gay people do exist in the Rance universe

Would you rather:
Have your ship have lots of fan-art but no fanfics or lots of fanfics but no fan-art?

>>15327
Lots of fanfic but no fanart. I rarely look at fanart anyway and fanfic engages me more than fanart.

fudanshi Sheldon

>>15327
Fanfiction. I don't know about other users here but once I look at a doujinshi or picture once, moment's over. I have no reason to look at it again. Fanfiction will stay with me for years.

>>15327
Fanart. Fanfiction brings out the worse in people and I'm a canon purist when it comes to chemistry.

>>15327
lots of fanart. I can't stand fanfiction because I'm an autist and it drives me crazy when my favorite characters act like woke Americans or talk like people in a Netflix show.

>>15327
if "objectively good": fanfic
if "grab bag of quality": fanart

I can appreciate mid-to-bad fanart but mid-to-bad fic might as well not exist.

>>15340
I think the best fanfic is more enjoyable than the best fanart, but unless its really bad (my immortal tier), then mediocre fanfic isn't even so bad it's good.

>>15340
>>15341
Trying to get into FF14's fandom when nobody draws the pairings I like or writes them made me quit.

The fanfiction I did read was okay at best, but I would rather read those over 1000 player commissioned fan art that's yaoi but only of literally them and the NPC they husbando, as at least people who write can be a lot more appearance neutral

>>15340
i agree with this. a good fanfic does way more for satisfying my itch than fan art, but bad fanfic is BAD.

>>15327
It's pretty easy for me to choose art cause I don't read fanfics for the most part. I also consume more content from asian fandoms than western ones and with text bubbles in a comic there's less text to put through a translator. I have on occasion put a pixiv or poipiku oneshot fic through DeepL but it felt bad because the AI would often turn one of the guys into a woman randomly and it just got stuff wrong in general.

>>15327
I'm a petty bitch so excuse my somewhat off-tangent rant that is still nonetheless related to this.
I've always noticed that fanart always is the one that gets the most attention, traction, and is the most "influential" regardless if the contents of said fanart make sense or if the people RTing/Liking the art even know about the source material. As long as the artwork is good, people will like whatever they are seeing. It could be the biggest nonsensical crack of that respective series, but as long as it has "good" or "tolerable" art (usually in moderate qty), people will like it. Some people may even be driven to give that media a try because of the fanart they saw of X/Y ship too, even if that ship doesn't even exist or have anything of substance.
Fanart also always matters the most in general because asian fans don't really pay much attention (if not at all) to fanfic. A circle of friends in a japanese fandom who like a ship in a certain dynamic will have more influence between each other + other people that stumble upon their art vs random fanfiction writers that seem to be only exclusively liked by other english speakers.
I have never seen fanfics have that much influence over a fandom unless that fandom was for a western work or the only people influenced by a popular fic are all just english speakers.
With that in mind, I'd rather more fics than fanart purely because I wouldn't want fanart (even of MY ship) to be the basis of people's perception of that ship. What if someone I don't like, but is very popular as an artist, draws my ship in a dynamic that they absolutely are not or completely mischaracterize the two? A bad fic can be avoided and has no influence on anyone but a bad fanart that happens to be 'good' (in an objective sense of skill) can make people more easily convinced to like that ship in the wrong sense.
I hope some nonna maybe understands what my autism mean with all of this

>>15348
I get it because that's exactly how I feel.

I know fanart basically is the JP fujo way but most if not all of the fandoms I like are western. I really don't care about BG3 fanart and as the game's writing matters much more than a picture of Astarion. There's a massive divide between the threads here as western fans seem to hate doing everything the doujinshi and manga crowd love. Like only following JP accounts with art.

>>15327
I've stopped reading fanfics because I kept getting disappointed over and over again the last times I looked at anything to read. So I would rather have fanart and no fanfics.

>>15348
>I have never seen fanfics have that much influence over a fandom unless that fandom was for a western work or the only people influenced by a popular fic are all just english speakers.
I never considered this before but it makes sense cause if I try to think of an example fandom where fic seems more important than art the first thing that comes to mind is Harry potter. I was only ever casually into the books so I didn't read fics myself but even so I got the impression that its livejournal communities were quite bustling in early internet fandom and very influential.

>>15331
Same I can remember fanfics I read back in 2008, fanfic doesn't stick with me nearly as long.

>>15352
*fanart

Whoops, but still, I love collecting fanart, but it's rare it actually has a lasting impact ainces there's no story to it. I wish there were more sfw doujins, or at least doujins with an actual plot outside of the porn.

>>15327
Rather fanart. I collect tens of thousands of pics if a series has as many. Fanfic is great too but the likeness of it being good and not ooc is way, way smaller than art meaning that I would have a smaller pool of shit to enjoy. Art usually just depicts a single scene or feeling so it's easier to stay neutral regarding interpretation, fanfics tell a whole story and stories are hard to make.

That aside ooc fanfic interpretations of characters seem likely to develop a life of its own since there are tons of fans that read fics of series they don't know and get their lore and characterization from the fic, not the original. The good fics I know are almost always from fans who drew before they wrote or at least fans who are friends and work closely with artists (usually artists who write as well).

>>15352
I still remember the first (godawful) fanfic I ever read, and go back to read it again every so often. It really sticks with you, the same way a childhood book series does.

Apparently english language gaming VAs will participate in fandom now on twitter and I think it'd make me pretty uncomfortable if my thirst post attracted the attention of a prominent figure like that.

i feel like final fantasy 15 was the last time you could unashamedly be a fujo. the game was released in 2016 and i played it on a whim because i was excited for cute boys on a roadtrip. i did not expect to love the characters and their relationships so much. i cried ugly tears for days afterwards, like genuine full on sobbing and having chest pains while listening to stand by me in my car and just feeling so sad and hopeless for these characters. it was also one of the few series where i enjoyed every ship almost equally - even though ignis/noctis was my #1 favorite, i shipped the group with each other in any and all configurations. it was just the perfect set of characters, looks/personality/trope wise. characters like ravus, ardyn or cor were just the cherry on top for even more yaoi. i also wrote a lot of rp during that time and the amount of fun that i had reminds me of when i was a teenage fujo without a care in the world and would just turn on the family computer after school and squee about yaoi with my online friends for hours. i can't believe this game turns 10 years in november…

A bit late cause I didn't want to post this without the image but LADS truly is the drama gift that keeps on giving.

>>15371
still baffled by the Valko copium huffing to this day

>>15369
>on a whim
So that means you didn't see the insane FF13Versus development hell in real time? That's insane to me. I want to play FF15 too someday but the second hand copies I find are always day one editions, I heard the updates and DLCs make the game way better so I want to have the complete edition if possible.

>>15373
FF15 is so funny to me because the first inkling of it I saw was in HIGH SCHOOL in a MAGAZINE then that shit dropped when I was like 30. I got the bundle on Steam for like $20 100 years ago but never got around to playing it. Despite being a fujo I really don't like "sausage fest" casts so that kind of keeps it in the very back of my backlog.

>>15373
ayrt, I did actually! I was like 14 or 15 when the pics of ff13versus dropped and was interested but I was never into final fantasy so I never thought I'd play it. I grew up poor so owning consoles and playing videogames was always too expensive for me. fast forward to 2016 and by that time I had a stable income and was more into videogames so when ffxv got released I thought sure, I'll give it a try despite not knowing shit about final fantasy. I'm still not interested in any final fantasy to this day, kek.

>>15374
Same here, the waiting time was ridiculous. Especially considering how frequently they released FF games before.

>Despite being a fujo I really don't like "sausage fest" casts so that kind of keeps it in the very back of my backlog.
I like sausage fests but the designs and the gameplay kept me from playing it until recently. I am not a fan of those kpop idollike faces that newer FFs tend to have. I unironically find Ardyn a million times hotter than any of the four main dudes.
Big spoiler though: the game is kinda meh. Sadly. Had some cool concepts but it feels like playing two unfinished games and if you don't do the boring monster hunt quests you can probably finish this in like 10h. I hope 16 is better but tbh I am rather looking forward to play the VII remake and pray that we will get some side-line games like FF Origin and Tactics which were way better than any of their main games after FF9.

It's so insane this song was not intended to be homoerotic in the slightest. Why the fuck are they singing like they're talking about the same relationship? They directly address each other at one point, and there is no indication in the lyrics that the rest of the song is any different. Why did nobody ever bring this up when this was being made?

I saw that a (the?) nickname for That trend is "Malfoid" and really wanted everyone on this gay Earth dead for a minute.

>>15384
kek I also found out about the malfoid thing and I wanted to commit androcide. I fucking hate males and the copes they do to hide their thinly disguised faggotry.

>>15385
I used to be a huge Drarryfag and seeing the amount of fujos who'd hetbend them was annoying. This trend is an actual nightmare for me because moid characterizations are even worse, it makes me seethe so bad I stopped browsing Twitter for the time being kek.

>>15386
We're in the trenches together… I quit socmed long before the trend started to pick up but had I stayed a little longer I think I would've self immolated. I only found out it was even a thing because I had the misfortune of seeing that shit via booru tags. fml

>>15384
From an outside perspective it just sounds like a bunch of harry potter fans invented Nagatoro again.

Do you agree?

>>15390
lol there's an antifujo on lc who spammed loony tunes yaoi just to complain

>>15390
Literally the coward's way out tbh I have seen my fair share of gijinkas along the way of different things, but I think that stuff like this is better on-model. On-model is always better imo unless it's something way too abstract like fucking, countryhumans I guess.
I mean, I'm sure TF girlies wouldn't want the robots to stop being robots and just draw anime guy that happens to have colors that match the respective transformer, right? It's like that. This reminds me of what happened in osomatsu fandom a long while ago where you had on-model osomatsu art / porn or bishiefication of the guys and most bishiefications were kind of lame.
Also, I do think you do kiiinda have to be slightly furry to like Wile E. anyway

>>15392
>I'm sure TF girlies wouldn't want the robots to stop being robots and just draw anime guy that happens to have colors that match the respective transformer, right?
So funny thing. They do have canon human versions of themselves. Only a few artists draw them though. More art of the bishoujo versions. But they are a thing.

Personally, I think it takes out all the fun but there's a considerable 15% who make fanfiction for humanformer variants

>>15392
Idk tbh looney tunes is too far for me but transformers/mech style are sort of okay if its wire play, robots are fine, Grace and Rocky worked, I'm good with monsters but furries are impossible though I can read that one japanese author that did girl from the other side ig.
However snakes and spiders are ok.
I am a complicated fujo…

>>15390
They're right in thaf they would have been humanized by default. I've been in the Looney Tunes fandom a long time and it used to be rare to find on-model ship art. Though it's been longer than 10 years, maybe 15?


Thankfully were past that, occasional speculative ginjinka are cute and creative, but I want the characters I love to actually look like themselves in fanworks. Human AU fanfics are even worse, you might as well be writing about OCs.

>>15392
>Also, I do think you do kiiinda have to be slightly furry to like Wile E. anyway
Ironically I loath furries because they're just as bad in the other direction. Turning animal characters into bipedal freaks or taking a random talking animal character and slapping a six pack on them. How hard is it to just draw the character with the features they actually have?

>>15394
>>15392
But do you think her general conclusions are correct, that most people would draw gijinkas it weren't for "woke" or whatever?

>>15390
I do, furries are ugly.

>>15390
I can't get into furry ships. Even if they are humanized I can't care.

>>15396
I wouldn't say its due to woke as much as there were simply less fujo furries back then.
For that, I blame western influence and parenting.

>>15396
No, I'm in a discord server where they had to banish Loony Tunes yaoi to its own channel because it was 1000s of art link spam messages every day. A quarter of them were humanizing them as very specific native American tribe members, which made me recoil because I thought that'd be culturally insensitive, but they were really excited about drawing brown boys with particular nose shapes and niche patterned outfits. Nobody was talking about body types because Roadrunner is athletic and Wile is, y'know, "why your waist so thin, so other men can hold it?" memes. At the very least we all know Wile isn't eating properly.

>>15396
Idk man I was in a fandom where it was only when an alien character got anthropomorphized (and thus made it go from m/m to subtle RPF) did a bunch of people change their minds from "ewwww interspecies ship" to "hawt yaoiz!!!!" and I had to deal with an onslaught of that until I stopped giving a fuck about the movie. I think it depends on the fandom, and a lot of people who watched the AcMe movie also grew up with Looney Tunes so those specific designs hold more of a place in people's hearts than if they just created these characters two years ago. Which then yes I agree people would've made them human because their designs are kind of ugly, but also a good portion of the fanart is ironic / for the meme and keeping them as their OG designs adds to that.