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>>13840Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.14963
I think the West just really wanted a rival ship and were hoping it would be like a traditional anime one. My unpopular take is that Harry/Draco is the same, in the canon it doesn't really hold a candle to anime rivalships because they were never given that "obsessed with each other and are part of each other's arc whether they like it or not", people just want the trope because the West is allergic to writing good m/m rivalry.
No.14964
>>14963Harry Potter is the one series where the straight ships with the MC are better than the gay ones imo (Harmione & Lunarry vs Drarry & Ronarry)
No.14965
>>14962Oh yeah I hate the bara vs femboy wars and the people who claim that liking one or another meant you aren't a woman because "women only like * ". People aren't a hivemind and I happened to be into a lot of different types of dudes, ages and bodytypes, depending on how well their series are written, how charismatic or interesting the characters are, how cool the artstyle is and so on.
I don't even have issues with trans or herm-characters if it's canon. I hate tacked on vagina because it's not. I hate it for the same reason I hate the uglification that tumblr propagates. Same with bodytypes. I am fine with lean and chubby characters but I really, really do not like when fans turn normal weighted dudes into fat ones or canonically big and heavy/fat characters into twinks. The latter also happens with female characters. Canonically huge and scary, but fans turn them into big-titted skinny super models. I especially hate that many of these fans are women themselves.
No.14966
>>14965I got out of the Kingdom Hearts hype right before Sora with a black guy tan became the new hc. No one does this to Riku because he's already gay. But Kairi is drawn fat for some reason and Xion is always trans and black.
Ironically Xemnas is left alone.
No.14967
>>14966Western fandom's obsession with representation is so annoying. I don't mind skin colour changes that much and even racebends as long as they don't take over as the default interpretation + have people calling others racist for not following it, but so many people draw their headcanons as grotesque as possible that it's impossible to disassociate "diverse" art with ugliness.
No.14968
The whole genderbend draco thing blowing up proves to me once again that people are really hypocrites because they'll call you delusional for liking an M/M ship while you bring up the canon material and other shit that links the M/M pairing together but oh somehow SUDDENLY as long as one of them was a woman it makes 100% complete total sense, "how did I not see this!", even if nothing was changed other than the other character happens to be a woman. fuck you.
in a way I guess it's half validating that yes indeed my ship makes fucking sense I fucking told you so but I hate that somehow a well written M/M dynamic (not inherently related to drarry in question either) is always dismissed as delusional by default of it being M/M
No.14969
>>14845original BL does sell really well and has lots of fans that buy official merch. this claim that “fujos don’t pay up” is extremely incorrect when fujos are known to support their favs hardcore. these people don’t know anything because they had no interest in weeb games pre-LADS.
>>14907usually they go for these ships that make no sense only because they consider the ship that actually makes sense too “problematic”. sad. prussia’s and canada’s best ships are with their brothers whether they like it or not.
No.14972
>>14837>Side note, I keep seeing hetjoshis / yumes online saying fujos don't pay up and we've had several of our games declare EOS? Can someone give any examples bc I don't really play fujo gamesThere aren't really any live service fujo games to EOS to begin with except Noctilucent and Nu:Carnival and they're doing fine, NuCani even having a nitro+chiral collab. Zerowake GATES is still in development so we'll have to see where that goes once it releases. I guess Velvet React got EOS'd in a year but that was mostly because it was simply a shit game and people didn't like how it had zero relationship mechanics and only included sex scenes. The reason NuCani became so popular was that Eiden was made a likable protagonist with a bold personality making it an actual BL game instead of an "otome harem but the main is male" like what Velvet React tried doing.
Also there's so much otome shovelware that gets EOS'd in four months after pumping and dumping the audience that people probably just mentally confuse the two genres.
No.14973
>>14972Samefag to add a correction. Velvet React wasn't really even an "otome harem" but more like the main character was used as a personality-less blank slate avatar to watch OTHER characters have sex with each other kek, that's why people called it a NTR/cuck game. I guess there are some fujos who are satisfied with just seeing two random bishies have sex but most of us like a specific couple because they have chemistry and a dynamic that we are interested in and sex is a way to express the feelings between them whatever they might be. Nu:Carnival on the other hand puts a lot of effort in their character writing and it's exactly why it's so successful. It's not that "fujos don't put their money where their mouth is" but that studios developing games don't understand them as an audience or even bother to understand, instead they just treat them as "otome but gay" and think throwing random boring bishies at them works like it does with otome fans who specifically don't want their male characters to have a personality beyond a husbando trope.
No.14974
>>14930>meanwhile in male spaces they can goon to their heart's contentIt depends on the space. Even some anime bros are policing themselves over ages of waifus now. There are also always a few anti porn puritan types but they just show up to say 'ew I disapprove of gooners' while everyone ignores them.
No.14975
>>14930I see this female-socialized behavior all the time on both socmed and female ibs
>porn addiction porn addiction porn addiction>no offense but I'm glad I'm not a coombrain lol I care about the CHARACTERS and SOURCE MATERIAL instead of SEX and PORN>why are you acting like your porn is deep and meaningful>you can never be an good writer or artist if you draw to get off>degen fujos are porn addictsI suspect a lot of this is said by women who feel isolated from other women online because they aren't into yaoi / whatever is popular, especially antifujo hetshippers and yumes. Have your superiority complex all you want. At the end of day I'm the enjoying content I enjoy while you are sad and bitter in a corner.
No.14976
I honestly don't care at all about what people think about me being a fujo. They can call me homophobic, pedophile, misogynist, racist, abuser etc. I’m none of these things and if the definition gets changed and it somehow does apply to me I won’t mind someone calling me that because I know I’m not doing anything wrong. That’s why when I see yumes, yurishitters or even moralfag fujos insult me I can easily ignore it. In fact I wish fujos would get more hate again. For a few years it’s been trendy to call yourself a fujoshi and it let to an epidemic of irony-poisoned pseudo intellectual fujo larpers. I hate them so much for turning BL into some kind of joke that can only be taken seriously if it’s about the struggles of irl faggots
No.14977
>>14958Hate is a market.
>>14974>anti porn puritan Biggots or larpers trying to stir shit aside, most people don't like coming across porn when they aren't looking for it. I've got no sympathy for edgelords or autists who share their porn or fetish in a general discussion/thread. As you said, it depends on the space.
No.14978
>>14976I don't care either. I just read or watch whatever I want whether it's bl or het and I mind my own business because fuck fandoms at that point. I can't even stand the fujoshi with a huge following I randomly come accross on twitter because they're fake as fuck and will talk about gay rep or trans rep, or about their autism and how everyone who's interested in nerdy genres like bl must also be retarded like them in between acting like normal fangirls to lure you in. I also don't care about normalfags' opinions either. Some new girl who was hired at my job a few weeks ago once came to the office with a 50 shades of grey like novel to kill time and another one grabbed it as a joke and read out loud some random lines about a guy getting horny and sucking the female MC's nipples like it's nothing weird in that place and time. Meanwhile I make sure to read my books at home when they're not even nearly as explicit. My stupid country produces retarded disgusting het movies about hideous old men being into way younger and prettier women who are all over them because the ugly old pedo directors and actors self insert as the male main characters, and these trashy movies are deemed as 2deep4u masterpieces instead of some random guy's personal expensive fap material. Why should I be embarrassed that I read manga about good looking men falling in love with each other and kissing in comparison, just because it's niche? No, fuck that.
No.14979
>>14977>Biggots or larpers trying to stir shit aside, most people don't like coming across porn when they aren't looking for it. I've got no sympathy for edgelords or autists who share their porn or fetish in a general discussion/thread. As you said, it depends on the space.For sure, but I'm thinking of the kind of guy who clutches his pearls just at the mention that X fictional character has r34 of them even if said character is the most obvious fanservice design ever. Usually found in Youtube or Reddit comments, so probably just normie-adjacent types. This type of guy is generally shocked by the existence of any fanworks at all except maybe mega crossovers and will lose his shit if someone tells him about yaoi.
No.14981
>>14978are you french? the movie thing sounds french to me, kek.
No.14982
>>14980The fact that there are so many men who are so angry at their recent(!) realisation that Transformers has a million gayship fans is another proof for the inability of most people and especially men have no concept of chemistries and personalities if it isn't about a self-insert.
It's fine to not like a pairing. But to call every shipper of G1 MegaStar or even the IDW bots delusional can only be explained if they only follow those series for the pew pew and funny colors. Sure, maybe some aren't gay, but if two characters are so close or share such a weird rivalry or hatelove with each other that they might as well be you cannot condemn fans for adding 1 to 9 to make it a 10.
No.14983
>>14978>>14976Same here. I don't care about fitting in or identity shit. I only have the "fujo" in my twitter bio to avoid being blocked by the Japanese and scare anti-shippers away. I also enjoy a lot of non-gay shit. Gay is the icing on the cake that gets me really into something, but still enjoy every moment of Jaadugar, TTGL or .hack//Sign. And might also enjoy fucked up gay shit like the gay pairing of BokuDake and don't care.
I even read Golden Kamuy at work or in the subway and if some idiot should show the naked men to others then be it. I am over that shit. Every normalfag openly fawns over their het rape fantasy novels or "grandpa fucking hot 22year old super model" movies, they should look into the mirror.
That said though, I also had to think of French movies when you described that genre lmao
Germany has a similar issue but unlike France they don't even try to come off as deep. It's either stressed middle aged guys finding a girl to fuck, 46yo stressed married women who fall in love with a charming 19 year old Italian because they're "exotic" or some white savior shit with a black trophy wife/husband. Boomers crave that shit. Maybe I am biased, but despite not caring about depth as long as something is entertaining I believe that shit like Golden Kamuy as more to offer than this crap, despite all the evil naked men.
No.14984
>>14982It is fascinating in how they act like it's a new thing. And will deny it ever being a thing until you show them production notes. I've seen their reactions live and it's genuine bafflement to homophobia. Not even ignorant boomer but just complete homophobia and hatred.
Notall of them react that way, but the ones who don't are usually closeted or young themselves.
No.14985
>>14976Ironically not even the real gays I know like the usual type of fluff gay with literally-yous that tumblr and such demands. Hell, I feel like not even tumblr likes it. There was this one super representative sanitized gay comic with the two mutual gay guys that everybody talked about but nobody seemed to like. Some pretended to but I have never seen a single fanart of this or seen them fangirl about it. Instead they keep posting their Mouthwashing, Transformer and Eldritch porn which is based btw but it shows that they are just virtue signalling about the "safe" gay shit.
No.14986
>>14984Yeah they do that with everything that involves women. I assume it's men from conservative families who had zero female friends as kids because they also claim that gaming or coding wasn't a female thing when 60% of the gamers I knew in the 90s were girls obsessed with RPG- and strategy games and early coding was a mostly female thing until men came to make money and then pretended women were too stupid for tech.
The person who first told me about piracy and eDonkey was also a girl.
The funny thing about TF is that they had to know if they were real fans because fujos were always present. But I think that men tend to misinterpret fujoness as husbandofagging. So if you talk a lot about Tarn and Overlord they assume you want to fuck bad boys instead of realising that you want to see them fuck, kek
No.14987
>>14986Assuming you want to fuck them is the most infuriating part about them getting in discussions.
There's a lot of Optimus yumes out there because who wouldn't be attracted to that personality. But they see girls screaming over Perceptor and Brainstorm and think they want to be in the middle. When they were 8 and saw Megan Fox and the girls who can't act in the other films, that's how they comprehended it.
Ironhide and Ratchet are little more than sentient dogs that can shoot blasters to them. And I don't know which is worse. Being accused of wanting to fuck them or being seen as an idiot for trying to engage with the characters in earnest.
No.14988
>>14981>>14983Damn you both clocked me. Yeah I'm French and there's nothing good in French cinema besides animated movies, yet boomers think younger people than them, starting from gen X, are retarded degenerates who prefer Dragon Ball to the average French movie where a walled racist obese old man is seduced by a pretty young female character or the average 2deep4u depressing movie that celebrate beauty or whatever.
>I even read Golden Kamuy at work or in the subway and if some idiot should show the naked men to others then be itIt wouldn't be the end of the world here, the average bus passenger in my city likes to watch AI generated fruits island slop about fruits trying to fuck each other, without earphones of course and as loudly as possible.
No.14989
>>14979> lashe out whenever something don't catter to them or their dick It’s not a normie thing… The only scenario where I could see this genuinely confuse or upset people, is if the characters mentionned are very cartoonish, childlike, or non-human. And Transformers is rather low on the wtf spectrum since those are giant alien sentient robots. It's not like bronies or pokefuckers.
No.14990
>>14988>there's nothing good in French cinema Most of it is slop, same as everywhere, but if you find nothing of value in an industry that is 100 years old then the problem is you and your taste. It's like you're and the other anons are stuck in the 50-60s.
>Peau-d'âne>Le hussard sur le toit>Le compte de monte-cristoThere you're big budgets het romance with no age-gap or ugly leads. All in costumes too.
No.14999
>>14964Nah, they're not. I don't know why people come onto a fujo board to shill het ships and talk about how much better they are. I'll take my m/m notps over any het ship because het shippers are that annoying and never shut up about fujos and spread discourse.
>>14968It also proves that moids are hypocrites about women liking "bad boys" and men act like moralfags until it's something that turns them on, but unfortunately women in fandom are happy to side with moids and also police other women.
No.15009
>>15006Me with Lance Voltron. Will never watch the show but I despise Lance and the Klance ship because of how annoying their fans were and the influence that whole shitshow has to this day.
No.15010
>>15006>ShipsYes all the time
>CharactersIt's more a narrative thing for me, if I genuinely like a character with an annoying fandom I can put that behind me and continue to like them but if they're shitty in the story itself and their fanbase reflects that then it certainly doesn't help.
I wouldn't say it's hate but I never cared for this dude's schizo ass and voted him guilty every round kek.
>>15009Ok you got me there, genuinely fucking hate Lance and Klance because of the fandom.
No.15011
>>15009Lance is such a shit character. I can't believe he got so popular and the writers actually wanted him to get the girl. Allura didn't deserve this
No.15012
>>15011>Could have ended up with hot purple elf prince>Ends up with fugly latino farmer and diesCan't have shit in Altea
No.15013
>>14976Same, I think most reason of why female fandoms care so much about name calling and virtue signaling is because we are susceptible to group think, unlike males that have a tendency to be lone wolfs we can't help but want to be in the group even if the group is retarded and keeps shitting on us.
No.15015
>>15012Maybe that's why she had to die. It was either be with an uggo or cease to exist. She never stood a chance!
>>15013I hate that this is the case for women. I just want to enjoy my m/m stuff in peace and exist without any drama or weirdo ass call outs. It probably didn't help that the internet began to centralize itself so we had no choice but to be within the midst of the fakers
No.15016
>>15009Same. I've gotten the ick from several authors that are writing for ships I LIKE because I visit their bio and see Klance in their works or bookmarks.
>>15012Old Lotor/Allura was my problematic fav from when I was a kid, I'm still mad about the fumble here.
No.15018
>>15014Prussia’s crush on Italy IS super cute and I love it but it always felt so one-sided. I tried reading some doujins with them but even those were one-sided.
No.15042
>>15040It reminds me of when JJK season 2 came out and men who shat on fujoshi all the time formally apologized and admitted Gojo and Geto were gay as fuck on twitter kek. But like if these guys were too stupid to admit it and never apologized instead.
No.15044
>>15040The male mind is so incomprehensible to me.
No.15047
>>15040No different from when the Persona 5 moids admitted Goro would be the canon choice if he were a girl
No.15048
>>15047I never seen this in my life.
No.15049
>>15040>that fanartit's literally sora and riku at the end of kingdom heart 2 holding the keyblade together to defeat xenmas
No.15051
>>15048Granted it was on 4chan but it did happen
No.15052
>>15040It would take moids to ruin one of the most iconic yaoi pairings of the 2000s
No.15057
>>15040Moids, or at least nu-otaku moids, are too retarded to look at old anime that already fulfilled their tsundere fetish because all they know is hype moments and aura shonenshit where the girls basically have negative chemistry with their MCs. They have psyop'd themselves into thinking the most bogstandard (and shitty) genderbend is somehow revolutionary when it's just rehashing the kugyu tsundere trope from the early 2000s and shitty harem tropes also from the 2000s.
At least it's not some shitty tranny acceptance uwu like the Petra parker shit but this is getting on my nerves too. Oh but god forbid fujos start making BL fanart of some popular hetslop or whatever.
No.15058
>>15048> If Sasuke was a girlThat was not a hot take back when Naruto was still running.
No.15060
Manga I like has a fandom made up of people all 10-20 years younger than me and every fourth word out of their fingertips is "larper". Make it stooppp. This character is a larper, this user is a larper, this official social media account is a larper, I'm a silly billy larper, sexy scenario where seme discovers uke is a larper, larper larper larper. UGH.