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 No.14908

Self-inserting has always been a thing, however, more than ever has it not taken in an almost parasitic and viral infestation in general fandom and the BL scene.

Whether it's the need to make gay ships het by adding a vagina/transing, or blatantly stating they see non-insert ships as cucking, let's talk about self-inserting and how bad it's gotten

old thread >>5538

 No.14915

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I saw this and LOL'd. The first poster is 100% right, I've seen so many yumes with very specific "weird" F/Os who get a bunch of comments praising them for being so devoted to their rare husbando. Couple that with the yume obsession with being very possessive and refusing to share their husbandos so they go for more obscure ones to "claim" them and you've got a recipe for narcissistic attention seeking behavior.

 No.14919

>>14915
It's so true. This is all just attention-seeking behavior obsessed with getting asspats for having a third-eye for the obese and repulsive

 No.14920

>>14915
I think about this tweet a lot when I look at the husbando sperging thread on lc, kek.

 No.14921

Didn't really get what's so appealing about yumeshit.

Knowing their husbandos are fictional characters but they're nonsharing, the yume community getting more insanely toxic.

 No.14922

>>14915
>>14919
>This is all just attention-seeking behavior

Its true and I find it sad that something as simple as ur proclaimed attraction can get warped by social media encouraging stranger behavior as it gets you more traction. So lame and takes away from how interesting actual weridos are

 No.15002

>>14921
I don't get why now they expect everyone to care about their yumeship or why they have to harass fujos about it. No shit people will care more about shipping canon characters than seeing rando users OCS fucking a character in the tags.

 No.15004

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>>15002
It's not just their OCs.

An OC can be so good that they have fans.

A yume is just some random woman with no genuine discernible features beyond being another yume's vehicle for self insertion because they're a brown haired, pale skinned, skinny woman.

 No.15005

>>15004
>random woman with no genuine discernible features beyond being another yume's vehicle for self insertion because they're a brown haired, pale skinned, skinny woman.
This is killing a lot of VNs aimed at women. Namely, it's a cancer on otome games. I'm not a yume, but I read every type of visual novel available to me because I have no standards. I've consistently been disappointed by most otome because the protagonists aren't allowed to be characters. I can count on one hand the number of otome protagonists who honestly felt like they existed as something other than a self-insert. I just want to read about characters who feel like people, but the second the protagonist feels even slightly flawed, otome fans get scared. I don't even want anything crazy, but I just want the protagonist to feel like she has something going on internally so I can feel attached to her. Sometimes, a protagonist will take baby steps in the direction I want, and everyone acts like she's such a phenomenal character, and the discussion there ends. She's almost never allowed to have an internal conflict which overshadows that of the male love interests. It's so frustrating. To show I'm not attacking otome games specifically, I've had this issue with a couple of BL game protagonists, as well, although it's less common.

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>>15004
At least in those games it has a clear purpose, which is to make the player feel immersed in the world and the story.
What I hate is when they do the same thing with characters who aren't supposed to be selfinserts in theory yet are written exactly like selfinserts anyway.

It's also a problem with isekai main characters btw.

What is annoying about it is that:
1, those characters tend to be the most boring of the cast anyway
2, the narrative always finds a way to comfort them and protect them,the world constantly bends around them, other characters exist primarily to validate them, and the narrative goes out of its way to reassure the audience that they're special or deserving of sympathy, while the other characters are portrayed with no depth, no inner monologue to make you empathize with them, no second thoughts.
The protagonist gets endless inner monologues explaining their feelings, while everyone around them is barely given any interiority at all.
We get to hear every insecurity, hesitation, and justification the protagonist has, so we're naturally encouraged to understand them.
So because of that every normie is like, yes i empathize with this character because the music and the narrative is telling me to!

It's not that you have to get a inner monologue from every character, but giving one character all the best positions, while withholding it from everyone else, and then uses that imbalance as proof that they deserved it is manipulative story telling.
Which is fine in an otome game because the player wants comfort, but in something like a shounen, isekai or romcoms where the mc is just another character in the world, it becomes really distasteful

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>>15005
I used to hang out in /blog/ a lot so despite not really being into otome VNs I got to read about them anyway and Fashioning little miss lonesome is one of the few cases where I actually got interested in an otome VN because the MC was sassy instead of bland.

 No.15020

>>15019
It's one of the few R18 otomes where it actually looks pretty sexy, it's on my list.

 No.15022

>>15002
Jane Smith imagining herself with a Genshin character and having her friend group take turns asking themselves husbando questions will never be the same as actual shipping

 No.15023

>>15022
>Jane Smith imagining herself with a Genshin character and having her friend group take turns asking themselves husbando questions
Yes, this is mental illness and shipping is shipping.

 No.15024

>>15005
a lot of otome players are also super neurotic about femininity and lose their shit at the idea of an otome protagonist being too strong/assertive/masculine. if she at all addresses that she is treated differently on the basis of her sex they declare her a pick me or "not a girl's girl" because acknowledging misogyny is misogynistic now. they have also deluded themselves into some anti femininity witch-hunt taking place and that feminine women are endangered. the ideal otome protagonist to them has to be hyper feminine in frilly dresses and heels and with long nails and elaborate hairstyles and she must care a fuck ton about looking cute/good. the moment she chooses practicality over fuckability they screech and shit themselves because this is an attack an muh femininity. I will admit that I also like cute otome protagonists and I myself don't like the classic "anime tomboy" look that much because I personally don't like short hair (as in, close to pixie cuts or similar) on my favorite female characters. but that doesn't mean that the only two options for female characters in otome games are hyper feminine tradwife bimbo and masculine hairy smelly tomboy.

 No.15025

>>15024
The femininity persecution complex is so deranged. How do people not clock "women need to be feminine/shouldn't be masculine" as basic misogyny/enforcing gender roles?

 No.15026

>>15024
I've seen some otome / het fans talk about wanting a more active protagonist and plot, but that really does seem like a niche within a niche in reality. The point of otome for most is to have ikemen fall in love with the nice fmc for existing and to have actions done to her. Most otome fans also seem to have limits when it comes to dark or explicit content in games.

 No.15027

>>15026
Tbf isn't it the same in VNs targeted to men too? I played Raging Loop recently and people in the visual novels sub said an MC with that kind of personality was rare to come across.

 No.15028

>>15027
NTA but I think that's not wholly accurate, and I think it kind of misses the point when people are talking about the passive vs active thing. I can't speak for the other anons, but male VN protagonists, in my experience, are usually allowed to be proactive. They may be pieces of shit or cowards, but they still drive along the plot. Otome game protagonists are often written to be reactive rather than driving the story themselves. Things will happen TO them, but they often don't take a proactive role. It was my understanding people think of Haruaki as unique because he's more manipulative and pragmatic than a lot of protagonists, and he's very smart and quick to catch onto things. Most galge MCs feel like the protagonist, whereas a lot of otome heroines are often not the protagonist by the literal definition of the word. Also, in my experience, a lot of male-oriented protagonists get to have their own arcs and development, and there's a greater diversity in the types of characters they're allowed to be. Otome games lack a Shirou, Takuji, or Kageaki equivalent. Even if someone doesn't like these characters, you have to admit they drive the story forward, and great care is given to their development. Their arcs also focus more on them and their evolving beliefs/ideologies, whereas otome protagonists are often very ideologically bland because they have to be a supporting character to the love interests' trauma or whatever. You can find countless scrote-oriented VNs where the whole appeal is watching the protagonist lose his mind, descend into evil, or have his entire life get ruined, but otome games don't really go there in my experience. Self-inserts 100% do exist in scrote VNs, and I fucking hate those, too, but there are more options, so they're easier to avoid. I'm trying not to make sweeping generalizations or sound like I'm praising galge while putting down media aimed at women, as I do have issues with self-inserts in galge. However, it's so deeply frustrating to see a fanbase so afraid of the gentlest criticism (which, by the way, is given because people want these games to be better) and refuses to even address the actual critique. Instead, they say some retarded shit like, "feminine women exist! Not everyone can be a girlboss," when that's not even the argument.

 No.15029

>>15024
she has to be femminine but she has to be "safe femminine" like basically she has to look cute and adorable only, the moment she looks sexy or at the very least more mature, a non infantile character, they don't like it.

 No.15030

>>15026
it doesn't help that "darker" otome games rarely get localized so their only exposure to the genre is family friendly stuff that nintendo allows on the e-shop. we're lucky that they don't censor darker endings that include sexual assault.

 No.15031

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I honestly think the original poster was baiting, but I wonder if there's a lot of yumes out there who wanna enjoy BL content for the cute boys but can't.

 No.15032

>>15031
Hard to tell if they're baiting because I've seen self-inserters bitch about this stuff before

 No.15033

>>15031
How come otome games don't have more male fanservice? (sans those that do like WHB, though I guess this question is also why people who vent like this don't already know about games like that)

 No.15034

>>15031
>I wonder if there's a lot of yumes out there who wanna enjoy BL content for the cute boys but can't.
Absolutely but the faggotry repels them. Disgust of homosexuality is huge competent of homophobia and fujo hate too. Some yumes complain that they can't bitch about their husbandos being gay or refuse commissions with gay pairings without getting cancelled on socmed kek

 No.15035

>>15031
>lusting over the character whose entire gimmick is being an ultra turbo cock whore
What would being a feMC even accomplish here? Also, yumecucks HAVE a whole femdom game for themselves already if they wanted. God forbid a fujo QRT'd a LADS post with "I wish the game had a male mc" without yumes making it a huge issue but they can say shit like this out in the open huh

 No.15036

>>15031
Remember when that chick with the Pinocchio avatar finally admitted to reading yaoi after hating on fujos on KF for months?

 No.15037

>>15031
they wanna fuck the boys themselves obvi

 No.15038

>>15031
From what I've seen otome lis are pretty bland so I can't blame them tbh.

 No.15039

>>15036
LMFAO, seriously? Holy shit she must have really hated herself and was hardcore projecting

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>>15035
Yeah I just saw one where an actual LADS fan did it.

 No.15045

>>15033
Because Japanese yumes have had their brains fried with male-targeted hentai and want to see only their self insert's tits in their faces since being hot to men is the major turnon I guess and also because in East Asia male characters acting slutty is seen as gay, hence why NuCani does it so much.



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