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>>12715Life's not fair, especially for fujoshi. Post your frustrations and things that are on your mind, no matter how harsh it sounds, about advantages everyone else has that fujoshi don't get.
No.14530
>>14517>it's bizarre It’s mental gymnastics and a form of obsession. It’s easier and more gratifying to point the finger at others for *insert reason why you’re a better person/fan than them* than to admit that the work you’ve become emotionally invested in is mediocre, or that you’re worshiping your own image projected onto a character. It's all this bullshit boils down to.
No.14531
>>14270>This one is also annoying because I would rather that my fave female characters just not exist in fandom, rather than get mischaracterized as motherly-types or get drawn with tits bigger than their heads by pervy men.Uuugh I feel ya Nonna, every porn hetslops I seen mostly my favorite female characters reduced to self-insert chud's obedient dickriding bitches or if drawn by manhating femcel yuritards, they'd be used as tools to 'smash muh patriarchy!'.
Sucks how nowadays can't enjoy yaoi or independent female characters without being trophy girlfriends by incels/femcels.
No.14534
>>14529I'm in a fandom where people shoehorn the female character who's a friend of the two male characters being shipped and it's so performative it's pathetic. I rather they just not draw it at all because a good chunk of her fanart is just her attached at the hip to the guys. It makes me feel bad for genuine fans of her because she's trated as an accessory but in a "woke" way.
No.14535
>>14526I try & block and move on. I'm guilty of shipping some (objectively) hetslop ships but I can't stand the way both men & women hetshippers characterize them and unironically fujos, whether out of guilt or genuine interest, are better at avoiding the typical hetcoom "narrowing" of characters in a het ship even if they mischaracterize their yaoi ships (go figure, kek). I don't get why so many of them like off-the-rail characters, even insane yanderes but like to "tame" them when in a relationship, especially when two people are just friends hetshippers are allergic to keeping the same chemistry after they get in a relationship and make them shy around each other when before they took no shit. This is why Lovely Complex is a manga I like because they're just as stupid around each other after they get into a relationship and are genuinely friends and have common interests.
No.14558
>>14557tbf that's pretty true to life with gay men kek
No.14559
>>14558that's why I'm okay with yaoi being unrealistic
No.14577
FUARKING google and google accessories has been down since the wee hours of the fucking morning and I cannot access what I wrote so I can post god fucking dammit. I know I shouldn't be using docs, but it's hard to curb the habit. I found out about libre and downloaded it so the evil corpos can stop stealing shit but just get back online jfc.
No.14578
Everytime i see fujos being brought up on twitter its in negative light and calling them fetishizers so it's useless to identify as one now it's better to be a "shipper"
No.14580
>>14579>Boyfriends was proof of thatShe will never be a man. Boyfriends is the author's self-insertion wish fulfillment and gay men don't act like those fags in said title.
No.14581
>>14578that's exactly why i call myself a fujoshi. so everyone knows im a problemtic filthy fetishizer and fucks off.
No.14582
>>14579It's funny because Gaydens (and transbians) are the biggest gay fetishizers of them all but they get a free pass because they're "queer", what a joke
No.14583
>>14578I don't give a fuck if I fetishize gay men or not whatever that means. I do not consider gay men's opinions when I consume BL. Glad to call myself a fujoshi if it filters out annoying people.
No.14584
>>14579women can fetishize gay men and its still harmless, these people think it's "so" harmful because it makes them uncomfy, if any harm is done if anything it's to the women that get so much into it they troon out.
Imagine guilty tripping women's empathetic instincs into making them quitting shipping or media to think about the poor gay scrotes.
No.14590
>>14589Looks like this "ship week" is less "Let's appreciate the ship together" and more "Please make fanfic of the ship for me specifically the way I like it".
No.14592
>>14591ew, what the fuck? this is why I don't read fanfic, kek. the only written fujo content I enjoy is rp with fellow fujos or tradpub novels.
No.14593
>>14592this isn't common to see in fanfic though??
No.14594
>>14593maybe it's the fandoms I frequent but a lot of fic comes with added virtue signaling and authors navel gazing at their own greatness or wokeness. it's annoying. that and I'm a snob who can't stand it when someone characterizes my homobarbies in a way that doesn't fit my ideal version of them in my head. it's easier for me to just avoid fic altogether.
No.14595
>>14592Haven't done rp since I was like 11 lol, generally I don't care that much about the writing quality of a fic since I'm there for the scenario more than the writing (generally jp fics have the hottest scenarios which is why buying doujinshi is a good idea) but it's just such a shame that this fic started out with good writing and the second the sex scene (which is short anyway) hit it had a bunch of incredibly obnoxious notes in it.
No.14597
>>14596So why did they upload the beta reader's comments? Link the fic, nonna. Maybe they didn't realize they added the draft content.
No.14599
>>14591I genuinely want people who speak like this to be skinned alive. This weird pseudo intellectual babble that makes them go erm akshually i may be a fujo but i super totes hate sexualization of le gay men because i am such a lesbo and I need to sound smart with every sentence that I speak
No.14600
>>14591This reads like some silly crap an ex-friend of mine would say. Made me laugh.
No.14601
>>14598kek I like this author but I do wonder what compelled her to keep those notes there if it was intentional
No.14602
>>14591The writing in the author's note is so fucking pretentious and comes off as tryhard.
No.14603
>>14599Expecting realism of any form in yaoi is retarded, I don't sperg about female anatomy when I play galge.
>>14601Yeah her stuff is pretty good, I'm just gonna have to assume for whatever reason she left the beta reader's notes in and hopefully she'll take them out at some point? It seems it like it is her friend writing it in which case her friend seems pretty toxic kek.
No.14604
>>14603She's also aware of this site, funnily enough. Maybe she'll see anons complaints about it.
No.14605
>>14604>She's also aware of this site, funnily enough.You guys friends or something? Tell her I like her work if so.
No.14606
>>14596>>14591KEKKK this is like having an alien for a beta reader. I hope no writer takes her advice or that it’s actually just a joke
No.14607
>>14525>>14527Same. But this is because the central difference between web 1.0 and web 2.0+ is that back then the net was a place for escapism and hobbies to its core. Nobody talked about their real life self because not even they themselves cared. People joined a space for X to talk about X and nothing else. Maybe at best make some genre-related memes.
Nowadays the internet is just an extension of real life and every normalfag expects you to care about their RL identity and politics and shitty stars and all the other shit. I blame Fecesbook. It was the first big place to encourage the usage of real names and disclosure of private bullshit.
No.14608
Up to this day I still don't get what "proshipper DNI" means and I feel like people just use that term to demonize pairings they don't like. The problematic aspect doesn't matter.
Like I am a fan of a gay ship where one of the was a stalker of the other, he even broke into his apartment, most likely to watch him sleep at night and that's only one of the suspicious traits he has. Anyway, I am drawing them but there are a few other fans who also retweet my shit and imagine my surprise when I went to their profiles to see "proshipper DNI". Like- WHAT?
Don't misunderstand me. That whole problematic bullshit is stupid. But how does that even work? Like how are you okay with my ship but then claim to be anti-problematic lmao
No.14609
>>14608Problematic is when I'm personally offended over something.
Half joking there, but it seems to be the case most of the time. I've also encountered big antis that like "toxic yaoi" that includes dubcon / rape, abuse or stalkerisms but ofc as long as "it's not incest/pedo" they don't care. And honestly? I think quite frankly that's probably all they mean. Proshipper = likes incest/shota. I've seen less pushback these days towards toxic dynamics (at least in my fandoms) but the very moment a character is even a fraction slightly younger than another? or even simply just shorter? minor-coded? oh you're going to hell.
I guess what people mean by 'proship dni' is usually that if you happen to like a pairing they don't like (for the reasons such as incest/age gap/pedo) then 'don't interact' with them like follow them, talk to them, like their art, etc. But you can't control what people can or can't do. What if someone doesn't even have anything in their profile but still ship problematic ships? You can't do anything about that
No.14610
>>14596Ridiculous diary text walls aside, one of the most common reasons that make me drop a fic is too much name usage. X talks to Y, asks Y what he wants and Y says "X, I, Y, just wanted to tell you that I love you". X is surprised. X walks to X etc.
I am sorry for being a snob, but certain writing issues are just so bad they take me out instantly and make any sort of immersion impossible. A semi-decent can convey who is talking and acting by organic writing and describing of circumstances. You will always be forced to use names
sometimes but use them too often and you sound like a 11 year old (and so are the stupid descriptions that some people use in lieu of names like "the brown haired boy said").
Also not sure if it's me, but I feel like fic writing has gotten so much worse the last ~5 years or so. Like most recent shit I see is literally atrocious. Not unprofessional. I mean outright atrocious. I have seen fics that were literally just 10 sentence long summaries. 5+ years ago almost every I touched was at least okay. Many even good, some fantastic. Now most of them sound like a summary of tiktok posts.
No.14611
>>14609God that reminds me of an "anti-shipper" I knew who aged the younger characters of a pairing up so that the age difference would never exceed 1 year.
The funniest thing? We're talking about characters in their 40s. There was a ship with a 41yo and a 30s+ old dude and another with a 45yo dude and a character who was maybe in the early 30s and they aged both up to make it 41/40 and 45/44 because a fucking 45yo dude being into a 40yo guy would obviously be pedo or something. I am not even joking.
No.14613
>>14612I know it's a coincidence, but the diction, snark, and overall rambling reminds me of chick I know from a fandom. Very condescending, very jealous, and acts like she's the end all to writing. Wouldn't surprise me if it's her but a lot of awful people get into beta reading just to have an ego trip.
No.14614
>>14598>One further point. Since we are straying away from prose and talking about characterization, you could utilize Eito’s heightened sense of smell due to his disorder and describe the smell of Takumi’s asshole. Though pornographic writing generally avoids this because the phrase "faint odor of anus" has killed stronger erections than yours or mine, so feel free to discard this.>Curiously, I fit "cute ginger" rather well myself, if one is willing to accept the testimony of two former girlfriends and a drunken woman at a lesbian bar. I have seen more than one person remark that Takumi resembles a lesbian as well, and while I do not especially see myself in his face, l understand the comparison. There is this thin, worried, vaguely dykey quality to him. Please do not put this observation in the prose.>Pain and pleasure may coexist without becoming indistinguishable. I assume you must have had enough sex to know this, I certainly have.Masterclass, thanks.
No.14615
>>14598Are you sure this isn't some kind of shitpost/in-joke fic, beta comments included, or something?
It's probably due to being unfamiliar with the source material, but I don't see much to sing praise even if you remove the editor's notes. No.14616
>>14615Kel seriosuly. I was wondering why that anon was glazing that author so much. Methinks it could be a case of self-posting
No.14617
>>14616Considering that
>>14604 said the author is aware of this site, you might be onto something.
No.14618
>>14617Fic was written 2 days ago, 242 hits and 1 comment. Somehow according to this anon
>>14596, someone "else" took the time to separate the beta comments to compare.
Hmmmmmmm……
No.14619
Well now I wanna know who the beta reader is. No doubt her own ao3 or reddit account is full of similar drivel.
No.14622
>>14614>This is a good first draft so far. One final matter, unrelated to anal physiology. You have now sent me enough material that these comments are beginning to exceed the ordinary bounds of beta reader or editorial correspondence. I do not object. On the contrary, I have enjoyed the manuscript and, perhaps more than is useful professionally, enjoyed discussing it with you. If you want to talk more after the draft is finished, about this story or male homosexuality or simply your day, I would be amenable.I'm starting to think this is simply chatgpt with a very weird personality.
No.14623
>>14609>>14608This is also why I could never really hang out in generalised 'proship' spaces cause it's such a broad concept. I'm ok with shipping a teen elf boy with a grownass elf man but it grosses me out when people ship him with his twin sister. But if the twin sister was a twin brother I'd be having a great time.
No.14624
>>14610I like to think I'm good about this, but I want you to know I went through my current WIP and turned several instances of Name into he/his thanks to this post.